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11 July 2022

Merci Grace (ex-Head of Growth at Slack) on PLG, interviewing, storytelling, building a diverse team, hiring salespeople, building a growth team, and much more

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster

Copying a Market Leader Can Mean Copying Its Failures

Grace warns that competitors see shipped interfaces but not the internal evidence behind them. At Slack, she watched other products copy onboarding elements that Slack already knew were confusing, just as Lenny observed companies copying Airbnb experiments that had failed but had not yet been removed.

  • A shipped feature is not proof that the originating company considers it successful.
  • Slack's animated onboarding circles remained visible to long-time users who had not understood them.
  • Competitors copied those visible mechanics without access to Slack's evidence.
  • Product teams should investigate their own customers instead of inferring validation from imitation.

it was uh hilarious and also kind of sad to watch people trying to replicate things in our product that actually weren't even working for…

Merci Grace
#product strategy#experimentation#copycats#onboarding

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take

Why Venture Deals Often Turn on Personal Dynamics

After watching pitches and partner meetings, Grace concluded that business fundamentals do not fully explain which deals happen. Storytelling, concise answers, room presence, personality clashes, and even old interpersonal grievances can materially shape ostensibly rational decisions.

  • Similar business fundamentals can feel very different when founders present them.
  • Strong CEOs distinguish themselves through storytelling and room presence.
  • Deals can fail because of personality clashes or old interpersonal holdouts.
  • Venture decision-making is more subjective than public analysis suggests.

deals happen or don't happen typically because of interpersonal dynamics, and sometimes even just like personality clashes or you know, petty holdouts from years before.

Merci Grace

it's very subjective, more subjective than I thought it would be.

Merci Grace
#venture capital#founders#decision making#storytelling
Hot Take

Slack After Salesforce Is Literally a Different Company

Grace resists predicting Slack's future community strategy from its independent-company past. Since Slack is no longer independent, she says the relevant strategic question is whether a move serves Salesforce's long-term interests, not whether it fits the product instincts of Slack circa 2015.

  • Slack's historical strategy was formed as an independent company.
  • Acquisition changes the institution making long-term product decisions.
  • Future community investment must align with Salesforce's interests.
  • Past product culture cannot be assumed to predict post-acquisition priorities.

Slack doesn't exist anymore in the way that it did even a few years ago. It's not an independent company anymore.

Merci Grace

I think it's like quite literally a different company now.

Merci Grace
#slack#salesforce#acquisitions#product strategy

Story· 1

Story

How Curiosity Produced an Accidental Product Career

Grace describes a career path from game founder to game designer, product manager, venture capitalist, and startup CEO. The sequence now resembles a deliberately designed founder curriculum, but she says it emerged from following her curiosity about thinking and decision-making rather than executing a career plan.

  • Grace started a venture-backed game studio soon after college.
  • She received a term sheet before she understood venture capital.
  • Her path moved through games, product management, venture, and back to founding.
  • Curiosity about how people think and decide connected the roles.

I was just following my curiosity and my love of how thinking works and how people make decisions.

Merci Grace
#career#curiosity#product management#founders

Q&A· 1

Q&A

Why Professional Communities Still Fit Slack

Asked about Lenny's large subscriber community, Grace distinguishes older social Slack use cases from modern creator communities. A creator community can be both personal and professional, and Slack benefits from already being tied to members' work identity and daily routine; Discord may still have a more natural path from social communities toward that market.

  • Creator communities were less developed when Slack set its work-focused strategy in 2015.
  • Professional communities are a prosumer use case rather than purely social chat.
  • Existing workplace use makes re-engagement in Slack easier for many professionals.
  • Discord may have the more natural product path toward broader community use.

what you have is a little bit of a prosumer use case, right?

Merci Grace

I think that Discord is moving more in that direction. It's a little bit more of a natural step for them to take, I think.

Merci Grace
#slack#discord#communities#creator economy

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway

Trial Conversion Follows the Customer's Clock

Grace argues that a startup's urgency to collect revenue does not determine when a user is ready to buy. Extending access can create incremental conversions because purchase timing may depend on the customer's quarter, budget, or arrival of a suitable project rather than the company's preferred one-week schedule.

  • Users may be ready to pay immediately, so optional early payment should be available.
  • Other users need a project or budget moment before the product becomes relevant.
  • Each additional week of useful access can capture more appropriately timed conversions.
  • The company's revenue schedule should not be mistaken for the customer's buying schedule.

their timing on buying your product has nothing to do with your schedule or how quickly you want revenue and everything to do with where…

Merci Grace
#trials#conversion#pricing#customer behavior