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LeadershipVarun Parmar (CPO of Miro)

The Two-Persona Product Leader

Every product leader wears two hats: as a leadership-team member drive accountability; as a stream leader drive improvement.

Difficulty
Moderate
Time to result
~ongoing to results
Steps
4
Confidence
86%

Parmar tells his product leaders they operate as two distinct personas with two distinct number-one goals. As a member of the product leadership team, your primary job is to drive accountability with your peers — including calling out, empathetically, when the team isn't doing the right thing for the business. As a stream leader responsible for a persona and its customers, your primary goal is to drive continuous improvement: today vs yesterday, tomorrow vs today. Clarity about which hat you're wearing produces high-performing, trusting teams.

Origin

Varun Parmar's people/leadership philosophy at Miro, articulated in leadership meetings and annual review kickoffs.

Core principles

  • 01Leadership-team membership and stream ownership are different roles with different primary metrics.
  • 02Accountability is practiced as empathetic, constructive feedback framed as questions, not complaints or statements.
  • 03Improvement is the only stream-leader metric that matters: are things better than yesterday?
  • 04Doing accountability openly (including feedback to the leader) builds the trust that unlocks team performance.

How to run it

  1. 1

    Name the two personas explicitly

    Tell each product leader they are simultaneously a product-leadership-team member and a stream leader, with two different number-one goals.

  2. 2

    As leadership-team member, drive accountability

    In leadership forums (e.g. the Monday leadership meeting), make your top job holding peers — and yourself — accountable to doing the right thing for the business.

    Pro tip Set the tone at high-stakes moments (like the annual review calibration) by reminding everyone accountability is the one job.

  3. 3

    As stream leader, drive improvement

    When wearing the stream-leader hat, make continuous improvement your only lens: ask whether today is better than yesterday and tomorrow better than today for your persona and customers.

  4. 4

    Practice accountability empathetically

    Deliver feedback openly and constructively, framed as a question ('is this the right perspective, or am I missing something?') rather than a complaint or a flat statement.

    Pro tip Model vulnerability — run open feedback-to-the-leader sessions so trust flows both ways.

    Watch out Framing accountability as blame rather than a shared question about what's right for the business erodes the trust the framework depends on.

In the wild

Open feedback-to-the-leader offsites

At every leadership offsite Parmar runs a one-to-two-hour session that is explicitly feedback to him, forcing eight to ten people to be brutally honest and showing his own vulnerabilities and blind spots openly in front of everyone.

→ Because it's done openly, it builds significant trust and signals that accountability applies to the leader too, reinforcing the two-persona norm.

Common mistakes

Blurring the two hats

If leaders don't know whether they're driving accountability (as a leadership-team member) or improvement (as a stream leader), they optimize for the wrong metric in the wrong room — e.g. defending their stream in a forum meant for peer accountability.

Doing accountability as complaint, not question

Voicing 'you didn't do this' as blame rather than 'I have this perspective — is it right?' triggers defensiveness and breaks the empathetic-accountability tie to Miro's cultural values, killing the trust that makes teams high-performing.

Is it for you?

Best for

Product leadership teams where senior leaders own both a domain/stream and shared org-level accountability.

Not ideal for

Individual-contributor PMs or single-team setups without a peer leadership layer to hold accountable.

From the transcript

“the number one thing that a product leader on the product leadership team needs to do is drive accountability with others in the product leadership…”

1:05:00

“when you put on the Persona hat of a stream leader which is different than the Persona of a product leader your number one metric…”

1:05:00

“if you do things with the lens that you are being empathetic then you pose it as a question as opposed to a statement”

1:08:00

From the episode

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Varun Parmar (CPO of Miro)

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