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Jacob Warwick (Executive Negotiator)15 March 2026

The tactical playbook for getting 20-40% more comp (without sounding greedy)

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Episode overview

Executive negotiator Jacob Warwick argues that even a gentle pushback can often improve an initial compensation offer by about 20%, while stronger positioning and information gathering can produce larger gains. He advises treating interviews as collaborative discovery: uncover the employer's real pain, demonstrate the value you can create, and avoid anchoring compensation before the role's scope is understood. The conversation also stresses slowing the process down, negotiating live with decision-makers rather than over email, and using creativity, empathy, timing, and performance-based terms to expand the deal.

Key ideas

  • A simple, non-confrontational question such as “What's the chance there could be a little more?” can often improve an offer.
  • Negotiation begins before the offer: public positioning, recruiter conversations, and every interview shape perceived value and leverage.
  • Avoid naming compensation too early because the role may expand through scope creep and the initial number can become a ceiling.
  • Use interviews as discovery sessions to uncover organizational pain, understand value, and help the employer visualize a successful future with you.
  • Negotiate by video or in person with the person who controls the budget; email obscures tone and recruiters can create a game-of-telephone problem.
  • Patience creates information and leverage: slow down manufactured urgency, gather context, and avoid reflexively splitting the difference.
  • Frame negotiation as collaboration and an effort to expand the pie, including creative performance incentives, severance protections, or non-cash terms.
  • Adapt tactics to the individual's circumstances, culture, power, and need for the job; curiosity and empathy matter more than a rigid script.

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People · 17

  • Jacob WarwickMentionsToday my guest is Jacob Warwick. Jacob is a professional negotiator.

    Today my guest is Jacob Warwick. Jacob is a professional negotiator.

  • Jacob WarwickMentionsToday my guest is Jacob Warwick. Jacob is a professional negotiator.

    He's helped his clients secure over $1 billion in additional comp.

  • Sam AltmanMentionsthere's everybody has uh and had and continues to have like such deep trust in in Sam and Greg and our leadership team

    And so pushing Sam Altman around a little bit which I'm okay with.

  • Tom BradyMentionsmentioned

    This is how like Tom Brady had his contract at Tampa Bay.

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    we've represented Julia Roberts and and Matt Damon and all these things.

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  • Steven SpielbergMentionsmentioned

    And she said, Steven Spielberg. And then, some form after that, it was, where do I sign?

  • Marc AndreessenMentionsMark Andre had this visual on some podcasts have just imagined a 100,000 drones just coming out of China just at us.

    I suspect the next person I talk to from your ecosystem is Marc Andreessen.

  • Chris VossMentionssenior FBI agents in 70s were realizing that all they were doing in their like negotiating tactics were just not working

    That's I think Chris Voss quotes that quite frequent.

  • AristotleCoinedAlexander the Great was tutored by Aristotle.

    I am a a big believer in Aristotle and his principles of rhetoric and ethos, pathos, logos.

  • Chris VossMentionssenior FBI agents in 70s were realizing that all they were doing in their like negotiating tactics were just not working

    I want to say Chris Voss I keep mentioning Chris Voss, but he I think he calls like tactical empathy

  • Elon MuskMentionsWhether you like him or not, Elon, this is similar to his um if you watch him, he has sets these really ambitious goals

    I can only imagine what a negotiation with like Elon Musk would be like.

  • Robert CialdiniCoinedmentioned

    Influence by Robert Cialdini.

  • Herb CohenCoinedmentioned

    I mean I like Herb Cohen's You Can Negotiate Anything.

  • John LowryCoinedmentioned

    I did just do a podcast with John Lowry and he wrote a book called negotiation made simple.

  • Kim ScottCoinedI think radical Candor by Kim Scott is just incredible

    I've met Kim Scott, she's phenomenal. Like that radical candor really gave me the confidence to be assertive

  • Lenny RachitskyMentionstoday we've got another very special compilation episode something I've been pulling on more and more with the podcast and the newsletter

    Thank you, Lenny. I appreciate the time today and again I was real giddy about it

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    I actually interviewed for a Meta IC manager role like an i9

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    going to market with meta versus Instagram and the acquisition.

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    I have a free course on how to do this, too, that's on YouTube.

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    Influence by Robert Cialdini.

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    I mean I like Herb Cohen's You Can Negotiate Anything.

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    yeah, that was negotiation made simple. It really breaks it down in an easy way

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    I've also started conversations with the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation

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    So execsinthesity is my Substack.

  • Execs in the CityCoinednewsletter · Jacob Warwick

    So execsinthesity is my Substack. And I write once a week on Thursday morning

  • Execs in the CityCoinednewsletter · Jacob Warwick

    That's also available on the YouTube, which is Execs in the City.

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    my actual business is thinkwarwith.com, uh which just tells you outcomes that that we've been able to deliver.

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Insights & moments

The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take06:30

Product Leaders Negotiate Worse Than 'Obnoxious' Marketers

Warwick observes that the more introverted, thoughtful types who dominate product, engineering, and design negotiate more poorly than extroverted marketers and revenue leaders. He finds it frustrating given how much product has defined the last 25 years of tech.

  • Product, engineering, design types tend to be more introverted and thoughtful
  • Extroverted marketers and revenue leaders negotiate more aggressively and win more
  • Product has defined the tech generation yet under-negotiates
  • Everyone tends to negotiate a little differently by function

I found that product product leaders, engineers, designers, uh some of the more tend to be more introverted and thoughtful types, negotiate more poorly than…

Jacob Warwick · 06:30
#negotiation#product#personality#tech
Hot Take08:00

You're Not Being Greedy — The Company Extracts 100:1 On You

Warwick reframes the fear of looking greedy by pointing to the value asymmetry: a company typically extracts far more value from an employee than it pays, especially in infinitely scalable product work. Understanding that exchange lets you negotiate with confidence, and the path to wealth is ownership, not a heavily taxed W-2.

  • Companies commonly extract 5:1, 10:1, even 100:1 value versus what they pay
  • Product builds infinitely scalable things that make the company a lot of money
  • Once you understand the value exchange you can have the conversation with confidence
  • The real path to wealth is ownership; W-2 income is taxed heavily

usually a company is extracting much more value out of you. Naturally, like 5:1, 10:1, 100:1, right?

Jacob Warwick · 08:00

when you look at the money that the company's making in comparison, like you're not being greedy.

Jacob Warwick · 08:30
#negotiation#mindset#value#ownership

Explainer· 6

Explainer15:30

Negotiation Starts Way Sooner — If You Look Like a Commodity, You're Treated Like One

The most common mistake is not knowing when negotiation begins: it starts long before the offer. Your LinkedIn, headshot, and every number you casually share with recruiters become a lasting perception. Say too much and you get anchored to your past self; say less and you can steer the narrative live on a call.

  • A LinkedIn profile and resume are snapshots of your past, not your forward value
  • What you share publicly becomes your reputation and pricing anchor
  • Tell a recruiter '225 sounds fair' and they expect 225 years later, ignoring your growth
  • Sharing less is often better because you can correct the narrative on the phone

They don't understand when it starts. So, the It starts much sooner than you think.

Jacob Warwick · 15:30

If you are positioned as a commodity, you will be treated like a commodity.

Jacob Warwick · 16:30
#negotiation#perception#personal-brand#recruiters
Explainer17:30

Never Negotiate Over Email — You Can't Control Tone

Warwick warns against hiding behind email because you can't control tone or when the message is read. A perfectly worded ask can land badly if a stressed CEO opens it at the wrong moment. A video call or in-person meeting lets you share tone, read body language, and correct course every step.

  • Email is the easy channel people hide behind, but you lose control of tone
  • A CEO reading your ask at a bad moment just thinks 'that bastard wants more money'
  • Negotiating through a recruiter is a game of telephone with the same failure mode
  • Always aim for at least a video call, ideally in person

if I push back, and the CEO that reads it's in the airport security line and pissed off and they read it, they might be…

Jacob Warwick · 18:00
#negotiation#communication#email#tactics
Explainer19:30

Control the Time and Place — Deals Close on the Golf Course, Not the Boardroom

Warwick argues you should control where and when a negotiation happens. Meeting on the company's turf puts you out of your element; pulling a senior counterpart to a walk, lunch, or coffee creates a collaborative, side-by-side dynamic. Insisting on your strongest hours also signals scarcity and that you won't be pushed around.

  • A company office is their home field where you may not perform your best
  • OpenAI execs took candidates on walks through downtown San Francisco
  • Walking side-by-side turns confrontation into solving the problem together
  • Naming your strongest hours (e.g. 10am-1pm) signals scarcity and self-respect

more deals are closed on the golf course than they are in a boardroom.

Jacob Warwick · 19:30

You take someone out of the element, you get the endorphins going, you're walking and talking.

Jacob Warwick · 21:00
#negotiation#psychology#environment#tactics
Explainer35:30

If You Can Say No, You Have Infinite Power

Warwick roots negotiating power in the ability to walk away. When your needs are already met you can push back confidently; when you're out of work with a mortgage, that leverage disappears, which is why it's easier to negotiate when you already have a job. Practicing the hard 'no' compounds into higher pay over a career.

  • The ability to say no is infinite power in a negotiation
  • Needing the money to pay a mortgage changes how you can answer
  • It's easier to find a job when you have one because your needs are met
  • How someone treats your simple pushback reveals how the company will treat you

if you have the ability to say no, you have infinite power.

Jacob Warwick · 36:00

This is one reason that it's easier to find a job when you have a job.

Jacob Warwick · 36:30
#negotiation#power#leverage#mindset
Explainer37:30

The Reputation Trap: Thank Them for Respecting You Before They Do

Warwick shares a behavioral-psychology hack: give someone a positive reputation they'll want to live up to. Thanking a recruiter for being an advocate and respecting that you won't share comp figures traps them — they can't easily say 'no, I don't respect you,' so they end up honoring the frame you handed them.

  • Assign someone the positive reputation you want them to defend
  • Thank the recruiter for respecting that you won't share comp figures
  • They're then cornered into either denying respect or moving you forward
  • The tactic plays on the desire to withhold or protect a positive self-image

we give someone a a positive reputation that they want to withhold whether they deserve it or not.

Jacob Warwick · 37:30

And then they are trapped. They have to say, "No, I don't respect you. I have to do this."

Jacob Warwick · 38:00
#negotiation#psychology#reputation#recruiters
Explainer1:10:00

Information Asymmetry: Meta Negotiates Thousands of Times a Day, You Do It Five Times

Warwick uses the game Werewolf to show that information, not numbers, wins negotiations — even outnumbered, the side that knows more usually wins. Companies hold that same edge: they negotiate constantly and know budgets, comps, and what people accept, while you negotiate only a handful of times in a career. Ironically, that disadvantage should give you the confidence to push.

  • In Werewolf, the informed minority wins 60-70% of the time even outnumbered
  • Negotiation comes down to information and timing, which create power
  • Meta and recruiters negotiate thousands of times a day; you do it 4-5 times ever
  • Companies know what people make, what others make, and their own budgets

Meta negotiates thousands of times a day. You negotiate four or five times in your career.

Jacob Warwick · 1:10:00

these companies have significant leverage over you. They know what people make, they know what others make, they know what they'll accept

Jacob Warwick · 1:11:00
#negotiation#information#leverage#psychology

Story· 4

Story28:00

The $700k Writer and Why Splitting the Difference Is Lazy Negotiating

A studio offered a writer $700k; his 'most aggressive attorneys in LA' countered at $1.3M and settled at $1M. Warwick's point: the studio came up $300k and the attorneys lost $300k — a lazy split down the middle that never found the ceiling. Had they asked $1.5M or $1.7M, the deal might have landed higher.

  • Studio offered $700k; attorneys asked $1.3M; they settled at exactly $1M
  • Splitting the difference means the ceiling was never tested
  • The client still made $300k, so everyone felt like winners — but it was lazy
  • On a movie that could gross $50M, a 50:1 value exchange justifies pushing further

the studio came up 300,000 and the attorneys lost 300,000.

Jacob Warwick · 28:30

those attorneys weren't aggressive enough. We didn't find the ceiling there, did we?

Jacob Warwick · 29:00
#negotiation#anchoring#hollywood#case-study
Story34:30

From $14/Hour to $120k in a Single Month by Not Revealing His Number

Warwick tells his origin story: a marketing director making just $14/hour, he refused to disclose his pay when a recruiter called and instead asked what they had in mind. They said 110-130k; he claimed the upper end and jumped from $14/hour to $120k a year in one month — the negotiation that changed his life and sparked his obsession.

  • He was a marketing director making $14/hour and didn't want to reveal it
  • Instead of naming his number he asked the recruiter 'What did you had in mind?'
  • They quoted 110-130k; he said he was on the upper end of that
  • He went from $14/hour to $120k a year in a single jump

And instead I said, "What did you have in mind?" And they said, "Oh, we're looking at 110 to 130." And I'd say, "Oh, I'm…

Jacob Warwick · 35:00

And so I went from $14 an hour to $120,000 a year in a single month a single jump. Just like that. That changed my…

Jacob Warwick · 35:30
#negotiation#story#recruiters#salary-history
Story47:30

Sell the Vacation: How a 'Lunch With Steven Spielberg' Closed the Deal

Competing agencies pitched a hot documentary director with credentials and name-drops; Warwick told his client to act as if she already had the job and book the meeting the director actually wanted. She revealed she'd cleared a Friday lunch with Steven Spielberg — and the director asked where to sign. The lesson: make the future real instead of arguing logic and credibility.

  • Rivals leaned on credibility and name-dropping past clients and lost
  • Warwick's frame: if you already had the job, who would you introduce him to?
  • The agent pre-booked a lunch with Steven Spielberg for the film-hungry director
  • Making the vacation a reality on the spot beat every credential-based pitch

I said, if you already had the job, who would you introduce him to? If you already had it, the deal's already signed.

Jacob Warwick · 48:30

And she said, Steven Spielberg. And then, some form after that, it was, where do I sign?

Jacob Warwick · 49:30
#negotiation#sell-the-vacation#hollywood#case-study
Story1:12:30

'Was That a Mistake?' — The Question That Saved a CRO $90k

A chief revenue officer negotiated 6 months of on-target earnings ($700k OTE) as severance, but the paperwork came back as 6 months of base salary only — halving it. Instead of splitting the difference, Warwick told him to simply ask whether it was a mistake. The CEO fixed it, and when the CRO was fired a year later he recouped $350k over six months.

  • CRO had $350k base + $350k bonus = $700k on-target earnings
  • Severance paperwork quietly swapped OTE for base salary, cutting it in half
  • Rather than split the difference, he asked 'was that a mistake?'
  • The fix preserved ~$90k+, and he later recouped $350k when fired

And I said instead, simply ask, was that a mistake?

Jacob Warwick · 1:13:30

So, he almost lost 90 grand just splitting the difference if not more, right?

Jacob Warwick · 1:14:00
#negotiation#severance#compensation#case-study

Takeaway· 3

Takeaway05:30

A Simple 'What's the Chance There's a Little More?' Almost Always Gets 20%

Warwick says the easiest, least aggressive pushback on an offer reliably yields around a 20% bump, whether the base is $100k or a million-dollar W-2. With active coaching he targets ~40% movement, and has seen initial offers rise 100-400%, often by breaking supposedly fixed salary bands.

  • A no-help 'what's the chance there's a little bit more?' almost always returns ~20%
  • Works across levels: a $100k offer becomes $120k, a $1M W-2 sees the same 20%
  • With a client he calculates toward ~40% movement on average
  • He has seen 100%, 200%, 300%, 400% increases from initial offers
  • The biggest wins come from breaking salary bands people treat as gospel

You get the offer, you say, "What's the chance there's a little bit more?" Almost always see a 20% improvement on that.

Jacob Warwick · 05:30

what I'm looking for with clients is about 40% movement on an increase. We have seen as much as 100, 200, 300, 400% increases from…

Jacob Warwick · 06:00
#negotiation#compensation#salary-bands#tactics
Takeaway29:30

Get Creative With Performance Triggers, Like Tom Brady's Contract

Rather than fighting only over base and bonus, Warwick pushes milestone-based incentives so upside is shared. He points to Tom Brady's Tampa Bay deal, where wins, playoff runs, and a Super Bowl MVP each unlocked escalating bonuses — a model anyone can borrow when a company won't move on base comp.

  • Tie extra comp to milestones the company hits (e.g. ARR targets)
  • Ask what a big outcome unlocks: another tranche of stock, or cash
  • Tom Brady's deal paid escalating bonuses for wins, playoffs, and Super Bowl MVP
  • Performance triggers align incentives instead of busting base comp

Why not put some milestones in that if this movie makes more than 50 my milestone is increased. This is how like Tom Brady had…

Jacob Warwick · 29:30

Win eight games, get a half a million dollars. Win 12 games, get a million five.

Jacob Warwick · 30:00
#negotiation#compensation#incentives#equity
Takeaway1:38:00

Anchor Egregiously High — Studies Show It Wins 75% More

For someone about to reply to an offer, Warwick recommends anchoring higher rather than lower, since the recruiter will likely split the difference. He cites 1970s negotiation-game research: those who anchored egregiously high won 75% more than those who tried to be reasonable. Ask for $150k more and you might get $70k; ask for $50k and you'd have gotten $15k.

  • Recruiters tend to split the difference, so anchor higher not lower
  • 1970s studies: egregiously high anchors won 75% more than 'reasonable' ones
  • Ask for 150k more and sometimes you get 70; ask for 50 and you get 15
  • Frame it as 'I was hoping for X' after scope of the role has increased

those who anchored egregiously high won 75% more than those who just try to be reasonable.

Jacob Warwick · 1:38:30

if you ask for 50 more, you would have got 15.

Jacob Warwick · 1:38:30
#negotiation#anchoring#offers#tactics