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01 June 2023

Storytelling with Nancy Duarte: How to craft compelling presentations and tell a story that sticks

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The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Hot Take· 2

Hot Take42:30

Why a Slide Doc Beats Amazon's Six-Page Memo

For persuading peers without a live presenter, Nancy recommends a 'slide doc' with full sentences, stronger pictures and a long appendix that you can circulate over email. She argues that because a slide doc combines words and pictures, it beats the fashionable Amazon six-page memo.

  • A slide doc is built in presentation software but reads like prose
  • It uses full sentences, stronger pictures and can carry a long appendix
  • It travels over email so people absorb your thinking without you present
  • Words plus pictures make it superior to the text-only six-page memo

that's called a slide doc you put more words you put stronger pictures

Nancy Duarte · 42:30

we contend the DF words and pictures the six page memo is better

Nancy Duarte · 43:00
#slide-docs#communication#amazon#presentations
Hot Take56:00

The Most Nervous Presenters Usually Have the Best Content

Nancy argues that people who are thoughtful and contemplative, and therefore nervous about speaking, tend to have far better content than those who wing it. She reframes stage fear as a fight-or-flight response and tells anxious speakers to imagine a friendly, delighted face in the audience instead of scowling judges.

  • Thoughtful, nervous speakers usually have richer content than confident winging
  • Stage fear is a fight-or-flight instinct, the body feeling threatened
  • Picture a friendly, happy face in the seats before you stand up
  • The scowling, judging faces you fear are only in your head

you have probably got gorgeous content in your heart that the world needs to hear

Nancy Duarte · 56:00

picture yourself as that friendly face the one that's happy to see you

Nancy Duarte · 57:00
#public-speaking#nerves#confidence#psychology

Explainer· 3

Explainer18:30

The Audience Holds the Power, So the Presenter Is the Mentor

Nancy explains that she first assumed the presenter is the hero, then realized the presenter is really the mentor while the audience is the hero. The audience holds the balance of power because they choose to accept or reject the idea, so the presenter's job is to come alongside them like Obi-Wan and help them get unstuck.

  • The presenter is the mentor, not the hero of the talk
  • The audience holds the power because they accept or reject the idea
  • A mentor comes alongside the hero and hands them a tool
  • The presenter should help the audience get unstuck, not center themselves

the audience gets to make a choice if they accept or reject your idea

Nancy Duarte · 19:00

the presenter should come alongside the audience and help them get unstuck

Nancy Duarte · 19:00
#storytelling#presentations#empathy#audience
Explainer36:30

Star Moments and Drawing to Get Everyone Seeing the Same Thing

Nancy describes giving audiences a 'star moment', something they'll always remember, whether dramatic data, an evocative story, or a picture. She recounts a powerful CEO whose retail rollout stalled because nobody could articulate her vision, until Nancy drew what the CEO saw in her mind's eye and the breakthroughs followed.

  • A star moment gives people something memorable: data, a story, or an image
  • Diagrams help audiences understand where a product sits and how it works
  • A CEO's 100,000-worker rollout stalled because nobody could articulate her vision
  • Drawing the picture in her mind's eye unlocked alignment and progress

you can use something in your talk that gives people something they'll always remember we call that a star moment

Nancy Duarte · 36:30

nobody could articulate at all what she saw in her Mind's Eye

Nancy Duarte · 39:30
#presentations#visual-communication#alignment#case-study
Explainer1:01:00

The Torch-Bearer Leader Who Only Sees a Few Feet Ahead

From her book Illuminate, Nancy explains that a leader is a torch-bearer who, like someone in a cave, can only see about five to eight feet ahead, but that light is enough to dissipate the fear of those following. No leader sees the future clearly; they just know the direction, and communication fuels people's emotions through the journey.

  • A leader is a torch-bearer, not someone who sees the whole future
  • A torch lights only five to eight feet, enough to calm followers' fear
  • No leader has perfect clarity; they know the direction to travel
  • Leading change requires fueling followers' emotions along the way

we chose a torch because a torch if you're in a cave and you have a torch you only see about five eight feet around…

Nancy Duarte · 1:02:30

nobody sees the future clearly like nobody has that kind of level skill

Nancy Duarte · 1:02:30
#leadership#illuminate#change#communication

Story· 7

Story05:00

The Five Years Behind Al Gore's Inconvenient Truth

Nancy's team worked with Al Gore for five years before An Inconvenient Truth, quietly touring city to city and planting seeds for a groundswell before it became a movie. She recalls Gore as an unusually humble client who would pause and defer to her team as experts, and admits she didn't believe a movie about a slideshow would ever take off.

  • Duarte worked with Gore for five years before the film, not just one talk
  • Gore toured privately to VIP and elite audiences, building demand over time
  • The 'overnight success' was really years of repeated, refined delivery
  • Nancy initially dismissed the idea of a film about a slideshow

we had worked with him for five years before An Inconvenient Truth

Nancy Duarte · 05:00

who's gonna go see a movie about a slideshow anyway

Nancy Duarte · 06:30
#storytelling#al-gore#presentations#case-study
Story09:00

How Nancy Cold-Called Her Way Into Apple, NASA and Tandem

Nancy's husband begged her twice, on his knees, to see the Macintosh as a business, insisting she read a Mac World magazine. She made cold calls to NASA, Tandem and Apple and won contracts at all three at once, slipping in during an 18-month window when snobby graphic designers refused to touch the 'toy' Mac.

  • Her husband literally got on his knees to convince her the Mac was a business
  • A few cold calls landed NASA, Tandem and Apple simultaneously
  • They entered early in the product life cycle when designers dismissed the Mac as a toy
  • The company started as 'Duarte desktop publishing and graphic design'

just read a Mac World magazine just read it through once

Nancy Duarte · 10:00

I made some phone calls I called NASA and I called tandem which is now HP and I called apple and we won contracts at…

Nancy Duarte · 10:00
#apple#entrepreneurship#origin-story#cold-calling
Story12:30

The Slide That Was Just the Word 'BIG' in Hot Pink

At a 1992 Apple sales conference, a sales leader asked Nancy to fill an entire black slide with the word 'big' in hot pink so it would literally light the faces of the audience. When it appeared in rehearsal the production team gasped, and Nancy realized presentations could return to how they looked when they were done well.

  • The ask was one word, 'big', in magenta pink on a black background
  • The goal was for the slide to illuminate the audience's faces
  • The rehearsal reveal drew gasps and squeals from the production team
  • It was a turning point that showed the medium could be beautiful again

I want it to actually light the faces of the people in the audience

Nancy Duarte · 13:00

the production team gasped a couple people squealed

Nancy Duarte · 13:30
#slide-design#apple#presentations#case-study
Story15:00

Reinventing Think Different With Hitchcock's Particulates

When everyone was making beveled, cluttered Photoshop backgrounds, Nancy rejected that look for Apple's Think Different campaign. Recalling Alfred Hitchcock posters full of floating particulates, she found stock footage of particulates and placed the six-color Apple logo on top, a restrained choice that stood out against a world of hideous templates.

  • The trend was busy, beveled Photoshop backgrounds with lots of clutter
  • Nancy drew inspiration from Alfred Hitchcock posters with floating particulates
  • The six-color Apple logo sat on simple particulate footage
  • Restraint that fit the Apple brand set a standard for other brands

remembering the Alfred Hitchcock ones that had his particulates

Nancy Duarte · 15:00

we stuck the six color apple on top of it that was so revolutionary

Nancy Duarte · 15:30
#apple#brand-design#restraint#case-study
Story17:30

Why Empathy Sits at the Core of Everything Nancy Builds

Nancy traces her obsession with empathy to being raised by a clinically narcissistic mother who couldn't model it. That void is why she keeps clawing at empathy as important, and why every book and model she creates puts empathy at the center, starting with the question of who you're actually speaking to.

  • She was raised by a clinically narcissistic mother lacking empathy
  • The absence of modeled empathy drives her to prioritize it
  • Every book and model she makes has empathy at its core
  • Communication starts with knowing who you're speaking with

narcissists are missing the empathy Gene so I feel like that void of not having it modeled for me is why I keep clawing at…

Nancy Duarte · 18:00

every single book and every single model that I ever make has empathy at the core

Nancy Duarte · 18:00
#empathy#communication#personal-story
Story57:30

Nancy's Pre-Talk Ritual: Laughter, Not Heavy Metal

Some speakers pump up with heavy metal, but Nancy has to calm her over-the-top energy, so she hides in the darkest backstage corner, breathes, and watches saved funny videos to chemically shift from nerves to laughter. When she once tried the head-banging, jumping approach, a medical client got so worried about her breathing they thought she needed a doctor.

  • Nancy calms down rather than hypes up before speaking
  • She watches saved funny videos to shift her body chemistry to laughter
  • A learned breathing pattern helps her reset before walking on stage
  • Trying the jump-and-pump approach once alarmed a client into calling a doctor

right before I walk on stage I chemically my whole body chemically shifts from nervous to laughter

Nancy Duarte · 58:30

we're a little worried about Nancy we think she might not need to see a doctor she could never control her breathing and we're really…

Nancy Duarte · 1:00:30
#public-speaking#nerves#rituals#personal-story
Story1:07:30

The Airbnb 'Snow White' Walk in the Customer's Shoes

Nancy recounts how Brian Chesky's team hired an illustrator to draw each scene of a customer's day, from the alarm going off to booking. Walking through that day in the life made them realize their strategy was wrong and they needed to go mobile-first; Lenny confirms the 12-frame host-and-guest journey became the company's strategy.

  • Airbnb hired an illustrator to draw every scene of a customer's day
  • Walking the day in the life exposed a wrong, non-mobile strategy
  • The exercise pushed them to a mobile-first strategy
  • The 12-frame host-and-guest journey became the company's actual strategy

they realized that they had their strategy wrong that they needed to move as soon as possible to a mobile first strategy

Nancy Duarte · 1:08:00

here's the Journey of a host and a guest that's like 12 frames of that journey

Lenny · 1:10:30
#airbnb#storytelling#product-strategy#case-study

Q&A· 1

Q&A45:30

Nancy's Take on Starting With the Conclusion (Minto Pyramid)

Asked about the Minto pyramid principle of leading with the conclusion, Nancy calls it amazing but audience-dependent. Conclusion-first works well for execs and fundraising, while other audiences need to be taught to long for the future state and require more time to unpack it.

  • The Minto pyramid principle is strong but not universal
  • Leading with the conclusion suits execs and fundraising pitches
  • Some audiences must be taught to long for the future state
  • Nancy's 'conclusion' is the new bliss tied to human flourishing

when you state the conclusion first that's a great thing to do with execs it's a great thing to do when you are fundraising

Nancy Duarte · 46:00

they really need to be taught to long for this future State

Nancy Duarte · 46:30
#minto-pyramid#presentations#fundraising#structure

Tool· 1

Tool1:13:30

Writer.com: An AI Tool Trained on Your Own IP and Voice

Nancy is excited about writer.com, a tool built on multiple language models that she is training on all her IP, books and blog posts so it learns her voice. With good prompts in, she gets a good product out, and she is also an investor in the company.

  • Writer.com is built on multiple language models
  • It can be trained on your own IP, books and blog posts
  • It learns your voice to help you write faster
  • Nancy is an investor in the company

it's going to be trained on our own like all my IP all my books every blog post it'll learn the voice

Nancy Duarte · 1:14:00

I'm actually an investor in that company

Nancy Duarte · 1:14:00
#writer-com#ai#tools#writing

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway1:05:00

Her Scrappy Uncorrected Video Beat the Polished, HD One

Nancy shot one video with HD makeup, a film crew and perfect lighting, then posted a rando, uncorrected clip where she looked a little orange but was packed with information. The scrappy, informative version became her highest-viewed video, convincing her that audiences want content, not swooshy production value.

  • One video was fully polished with makeup, crew and lighting
  • The other was uncorrected, informal and dense with information
  • The scrappy, informative version got the most views
  • Audiences want the content more than high production polish

it's not color corrected but it's super informative

Nancy Duarte · 1:06:00

people want the content

Nancy Duarte · 1:06:30
#video#content#production-value#linkedin