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Jonathan Becker (Thrive Digital)07 May 2023

Mastering paid growth

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Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster

Paid Growth Never Worked for Every Startup

Becker rejects the idea that paid acquisition was an easy universal growth engine during the 2010s and has only recently stopped working. Successful unicorns used it, but many companies using the same channels flatlined. Grammarly and Athletic Greens show that businesses can still scale profitably through paid acquisition when they understand customer economics and execute well.

  • The visible winners create survivorship bias around paid acquisition
  • Thrive also worked with projects that flatlined during the supposed golden age
  • Companies still spend millions per month profitably on Google and Meta
  • Success depends on economics and execution rather than access to the channel alone

every unicorn from like the you know 2010s era that that scaled did performance marketing. But not everyone during that time who did performance marketing…

Jonathan Becker

the sense that there was a period of time where this was easy or you know, it worked on any project is is not correct…

Jonathan Becker
#paid-growth#survivorship-bias#startups#unit-economics
Myth Buster

An Agency Does Not Replace Your In-House Marketer

Becker says the agency-versus-in-house framing is false: Thrive needs an internal marketing counterpart to obtain information, approvals, and organizational follow-through. Early companies may use an agency to add experimentation capacity and specialized resources quickly, while later companies may use one for sophisticated production, attribution, and maintenance. In both cases, the internal owner connects external capability to the company.

  • A busy CEO is usually an ineffective day-to-day agency contact
  • The internal owner can be a marketing generalist rather than a paid specialist
  • Agencies add accumulated process, software, and cross-client pattern recognition
  • The agency's role changes from discovery toward sophisticated maintenance as the company matures

agencies are not mutually exclusive to personnel in-house.

Jonathan Becker

the reality is you're going to need expertise, and you probably should start in-house and then hire an agency.

Jonathan Becker
#agencies#in-house-team#marketing-operations#startups

Hot Take· 1

Hot Take

AI Moves Paid Growth Work Up the Stack

Thrive has more employees than ever, but automation has shifted their work away from keyword-level bid changes and manual analysis toward modeling, validation, creative decisions, and asking better questions. ChatGPT accelerates copy variants and proposal drafts, while DALL-E and Midjourney turn internal visual ideas into client-ready mockups in a fraction of the time. Becker frames this as displacement of tasks and a change in tools rather than evidence that creative work disappears.

  • Ad platforms had automated campaign mechanics long before the current AI wave
  • Human work moved toward strategy, modeling, validation, and creative judgment
  • AI-generated proposal drafts still require substantial human editing
  • Image tools let teams visualize and refine concepts with clients in real time

We have more people now than we've ever had, but the nature of the work that they do is more strategic.

Jonathan Becker

what might have taken one person a week of work on a campaign takes like an afternoon type thing.

Jonathan Becker
#ai#automation#creative-work#performance-marketing

Explainer· 1

Explainer

Why Paid Search Feels More Predictable Than SEO

Paid search and SEO are complementary, but they expose cause and effect differently. Paid campaigns offer a more direct relationship between spending, action, and modeled revenue, which helps finance teams budget and project. SEO can produce indisputable gains, but crawling delays and Google's partly undisclosed ranking system make it harder to attribute a particular traffic increase to a particular action.

  • Paid and organic search are not mutually exclusive
  • Paid media offers a more tangible spending-to-result relationship
  • SEO results depend on crawling and a partly opaque analysis algorithm
  • SEO attribution often relies on correlation rather than a direct event chain

paid being tangible is the reason why I leaned heavily into paid and ultimately away from SEO.

Jonathan Becker

if you do SEO properly, it the payoffs are indisputable.

Jonathan Becker
#seo#paid-search#attribution#forecasting

Story· 2

Story

The Uber Loophole That Became a 10-Year Client

Becker was using paid search to intercept Uber-branded searches and collect referral credits when he met Uber co-founder Garrett Camp in a taxi after a TED dinner. He disclosed the loophole directly, admitted it added no value, and recommended closing it. Uber told him to stop, then hired Thrive to solve the problem and remained a client for ten years.

  • Becker earned tens of thousands of dollars from Uber referral credits
  • He met Garrett Camp by chance in a taxi on the way to a conference party
  • He converted the risky disclosure into a problem-solving pitch
  • The engagement helped turn Thrive from a regional agency into a sector leader

I'm doing this, I'm adding zero value, but this is a loophole in your marketing system. And, you know, someone should close it.

Jonathan Becker

this is bad. You have to stop doing this, but can we hire you to solve the problem?

Jonathan Becker, paraphrasing Uber's team
#uber#entrepreneurship#referrals#sales
Story

The Snap Pitch That Refused to Answer the RFP

Faced with a fragmented set of 20 to 30 RFP questions, Becker and his team decided that answering them literally would prevent a coherent recommendation. He opened the pitch by declining every question and instead told Snap what he believed it needed to do. The room went silent, but Snap called two hours later to hire Thrive.

  • The team believed the RFP questions could not form a useful beginning-to-end story
  • They worked overnight to build a recommendation around their own diagnosis
  • Becker made agreement with his logic the explicit hiring test
  • Snap selected Thrive within hours despite the unconventional response

With the utmost respect, I am not going to answer any of your questions today.

Jonathan Becker

I'm going to tell you what I think you need to do to get where you want to go.

Jonathan Becker
#snap#rfp#consultative-selling#confidence

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway

TikTok's Cheap Reach Comes With a Heavy Creative Tax

Becker sees TikTok as a major opportunity for e-commerce, retail, wholesale, and direct-to-consumer brands because the audience is large and engaged while the ad platform remains less mature. Founder-led videos and authentic influencer partnerships work especially well. The constraint is production: scaling spend requires new creative several times per week, making the true cost much larger than media dollars alone.

  • TikTok can offer cheap clicks because fewer advertisers have mastered it
  • Founder-led and influencer-generated content fit the platform
  • The platform is not yet a universal recommendation for B2B SaaS
  • Large budgets require a costly machine for continual asset production

anything like direct to consumer, you have to investigate TikTok and try and figure out whether there's a way of promoting your products there, basically.

Jonathan Becker

you are launching net new assets several times per week.

Jonathan Becker
#tiktok#creative-production#ecommerce#influencers
Takeaway

Treat Constant Change as the Work, Not an Interruption

Performance marketing tools, platforms, privacy rules, and available solutions change continually. Becker credits Thrive's durability not to one minor operating tweak but to a culture that welcomes change and experiments playfully with new tools. That posture turns events such as cookie deprecation, Apple's privacy changes, and AI adoption into problems to solve rather than reasons to defend the old workflow.

  • Channel changes continually create new tools and new problems
  • Resistance to change is especially costly in performance marketing
  • A playful mindset encourages practical experimentation
  • Adaptability functions as a continuing company capability

having a playful mindset with new technology and tools

Jonathan Becker

it is the cultural willingness to adapt that I think has been a strong suit for us as a company.

Jonathan Becker
#adaptability#culture#change-management#experimentation