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27 June 2022

Brandon Chu on building product at Shopify, how writing changed the trajectory of his career, the habits that make you a great PM, pros and cons of being a platform PM, how Shopify got through Covid

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Myth Buster· 1

Myth Buster

Platform PM and Consumer PM Are Not One-Way Doors

Chu rejects the idea that platform and user-facing product management form a permanent either-or career choice. Consumer PMs learn from the platforms they use, platform PMs observe the range of experiences built on their canvas, and alternating between the two offers both long-cycle ecosystem work and fast user feedback.

  • Neither product domain is inherently better
  • Consumer teams experience good and bad internal or third-party platforms
  • Platform teams learn from the universe of experiences their tools enable
  • Platform work has much longer feedback cycles
  • Oscillating between the domains can provide complementary experience

I don't think it's either or. I don't think one is better than the other.

Brandon Chu

I think having both is actually the right goal, both experiences.

Brandon Chu
#pm-career#platforms#consumer-products#career-mobility

Explainer· 3

Explainer

Why Shopify Makes Product Thinking Everyone's Job

Chu describes Shopify as deeply technical across functions: early project management happened in GitHub, and even marketers had to commit and deploy blog changes. That shared proximity to the product supports a culture where engineers, support, and sales all contribute product thinking rather than treating PMs as the only legitimate product voice.

  • Shopify's technical culture flowed from Toby's developer background
  • Functions outside engineering were expected to interact with technical workflows
  • The product organization was not placed on a pedestal
  • PMs help teams reach the right answer rather than dictate it
  • Shopify deliberately hired many former founders for versatility, grit, and customer empathy

everyone's responsible for product thinking

Brandon Chu

your job is to help teams ship the right thing at the right time in the right way

Brandon Chu
#product-culture#technical-culture#servant-leadership#shopify
Explainer

Why PM Decision Authority Changes With Seniority

At Shopify, junior PM and individual-contributor decisions emphasize balance among product, user experience, and engineering. At director level and above, the product role becomes more purely strategic, so the PM is expected to choose a direction and be accountable for taking the organization there.

  • Junior and IC product work favors balanced cross-functional decision-making
  • Senior product roles place more weight on the PM's strategic direction
  • The shift follows a change in role and organizational context
  • Someone must ultimately own consequential direction-setting

as you go towards more of like the junior PMs and the ICs, like there is a much bigger emphasis on balanced decision making

Brandon Chu

when you get to like director level or above, like that's when there is more emphasis put on where the PM wants to lead

Brandon Chu
#pm-career#decision-rights#strategy#leadership
Explainer

The Platform Integration Spectrum: Links, Iframes, or Deep Data

A platform PM must decide how much of a third-party product should exist inside the host product. Chu frames a spectrum from opening an external link, through iframe embedding, to native UI backed partly by third-party data; deeper integration creates a more powerful experience but grants more control and raises harder policy and engineering questions.

  • A simple external link offers weak integration
  • An iframe keeps the third-party experience inside the product but can feel awkward
  • A deeper model can let the platform serve UI while data comes from a third-party server
  • iOS shortcut actions show how platforms can expose selected app capabilities
  • Too much control can be dangerous while too little makes the platform unhelpful

are you just gonna let them put their link in there and then it opens up a new tab into that other product?

Brandon Chu

if you go too far, you give Google too much control there

Brandon Chu
#platforms#integrations#product-design#developer-ecosystems

Story· 5

Story

Brandon Chu Has Been Funding a Trip to Space Since Age 16

Chu has long wanted to see the whole Earth at once because he expects feeling small to create a sense of connection. At 16, he calculated that a trip might cost about half a million dollars by age 55 and began putting $2,000 a year into a separate invested account.

  • His childhood ambition was to become an astronaut
  • The desired experience is seeing the whole Earth in one view
  • He began saving $2,000 annually at age 16
  • He estimated a future cost of roughly half a million dollars

even since I was like 16, I've been saving $2,000 a year in a separate account

Brandon Chu

one day I'm gonna see like the whole earth in one view

Brandon Chu
#space#long-term-planning#personal-story
Story

From Kraft Foods to Founder to Shopify Product Leader

Chu began in finance and spent about four years at Kraft Foods before boredom pushed him to bootstrap Toonsy with a co-founder. The startup gave him practical engineering and design exposure, FreshBooks hardened his PM craft, and he joined Shopify during its IPO week before growing into platform leadership and product acceleration.

  • Chu entered his career through finance and industry
  • Toonsy helped YouTube musicians monetize fan bases through tour experiences
  • A startup acquisition helped him transition into product management
  • FreshBooks combined his scrappy background with more technical and process-oriented PM training
  • He later built expertise in platforms and developer ecosystems at Shopify

I started moonlighting and bootstrapping a startup on the side

Brandon Chu

I kind of hardened my PM skills through that over about four years

Brandon Chu
#career-path#product-management#startups#shopify
Story

Shopify Cut a Quarter's 40 Priorities to Three During COVID

When the pandemic threatened brick-and-mortar merchants, Shopify discarded its existing roadmaps and focused on immediate survival tools such as curbside pickup and gift cards. Leadership became more involved, roughly 500 people were redirected, and the company reduced a quarter that might have contained 40 priorities to three.

  • Shopify did not initially know that the pandemic would benefit ecommerce
  • The urgent problem was helping physical businesses survive sudden revenue loss
  • Previously secondary capabilities such as gift cards became mission-critical
  • The company tried to ship at platform scale in weeks
  • The wartime operating rhythm lasted through much of the year

we went down from trying to ship maybe the 40 things that quarter to like three, and nothing else mattered

Brandon Chu

How do we like throw away everything? This is what matters now.

Brandon Chu
#covid#crisis-management#prioritization#shopify
Story

How Public Writing Pre-Onboarded Chu's Teams

Chu says public writing became the most important activity of his career. New PMs often joined already understanding how he thought, externally successful ideas cut through Shopify's internal noise, and the resulting reputation helped him build trust, recruit people, and create momentum around product work.

  • Public posts gave incoming teammates context before formal onboarding
  • External traction helped ideas gain attention inside a noisy organization
  • Writing helped build Chu's trust with Toby
  • PMs regularly told Chu that his posts influenced them to join Shopify
  • A post about a Messenger integration gained credibility after David Marcus shared it

It was pre-onboarded a lot of the PMs that would join my team

Brandon Chu

it accelerated my career probably a decade

Brandon Chu
#writing#career-capital#onboarding#influence#recruiting
Story

Success Made Chu Stop Publishing

The traction of Chu's writing eventually raised the perceived quality bar until publishing felt insurmountable. Executive responsibilities and children reduced his available time, and he chose not to release work that he feared would disappoint an audience accustomed to infrequent, heavily edited posts.

  • Chu had become a busy Shopify executive
  • His earlier posts appeared only every couple of months at most
  • Audience expectations increased the cost he associated with publishing
  • Limited time and family responsibilities made that standard hard to meet
  • The desire not to disappoint readers became a reason to stop

I don't have the time to make this thing as good as it was

Brandon Chu

I don't want to disappoint people

Brandon Chu
#writing#perfectionism#audience-expectations#creative-work